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Comment on History of Sam Fife’s Move of God, Continued by Buddy Cobb, now gone

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I have now seen yet another site about abuse in The Move. Indeed, an internet search will suggest that sexual abuse was the nature of Sam Fife’s Move.  I was not aware of it when I was in; I have had some reports. Here is my position. In short, I separate investigation of sonship doctrine today from Move history of any abuse.

I was in the Move as a teenager, for a few years, in Houston and at Headwaters. I left with Ross Bracewell. So, I have never been to Alaska and there was necessarily much I didn’t know. My interest today is more the sonship doctrine than anything to do with the Move. I continue to have friends among those who stayed, stayed at that time, and who left then.

In about 2006, I became aware of accusation of sexual abuse. I was never involved in any of that. However, I made an online rant against it. I said sexual abuse was unacceptable. Any kind of abuse is unacceptable, must be repented from. Such a policy must be stated and advertised.  It was not appreciated. So, I can say that I saw how the eldership refused to make a public policy or public statement. It was often said that this position was rooted in a generational perspective. The leadership was very old, the WWII generation.

They had sent away nearly all the competent boomers, thus insuring that there would be few leaders, and none that caused any distribution. Even in 2006-2018, boomers were called “the young people!” Perhaps this sending away was incompetence, or pride, but also rooted in the financial situation. As the Move membership shrunk, so did the pie of money for leadership. So, more leadership was not wanted. Control, that was not acknowledged, was wanted, for sure.

I discussed the situation of abuse briefly with Ross Bracewell, and he focused on the fact that pastoral counseling must of course be confidential. Further, the abuse that he knew about at Headwaters had been be conducted by a male who was then a teenager.

I wonder if a quick, and unplanned pulling together of disparate people to live together, could happen without some problems. What disturbs me is the lack of corrective response.

Strict child discipline of course may be construed as abuse or as properly strict discipline. I saw very strict discipline, but I did not see beating, beyond hand slaps – back in the early 1970s. In 2006, I did see concerning behavior between and among the children. I saw parents concerned, but more gossiping than working to thwart. Again, leadership was tone deaf when approached. And some parents were even lax beyond my nonfarm expectations.  Again, very little standardization.

Bro. Joe told me in 2006 that back in the early days, when he became aware of the over strictness at Ware, he told Bro. Sam that if this is what the Move was going to be like, he would leave. Most egregious in Joe’s mind was that the people at Ware were told they would be punished if they complained to the “father ministry.” Watertown was very different from Ware. It is my understanding that Sam spoke to the Ware elders and things improved. Also, it was disbanded early.

I know there were hard feelings about the selling of some farms, but have no specifics. I was in Texas, long gone from the Move when things were being sold. I noticed again, lack of discussion.

I know of nothing to suggest the Move taught blood sacrifice.

Today, I see no commitment to natural food or any natural living; and no commitment to alternative health practices.  I am dismayed.  Apparently, Sam himself did not agree with health food, although he did eschew doctoring.  However, no question that I learned natural health practices in the “back to the land” word which Sam preached at the Farmers’ Branch, TX convention.

I had such an adventure. On the other hand, I and my family were damaged immensely financially — mostly through giving up college and wrong marriage.  There would be complete denial on this point. I see the serious damage even in my grandchildren. And salt is rubbed in the wounds when I talk to those who were then elders who boast of their college and that of their children – which we were explicitly denied.

Some of the best people I know, I met in the Move. No surprise. Who else would give up literally everything to follow Jesus, to go “all the way with God.” You will only hear about the ones who want to complain and have an angle that others will listen to. Similarly, I notice that people are easily led astray by people who make them feel good. “Buddy was always nice to me.” Yes, Buddy spoke comfortably to the sheep. However it was Buddy, and not Sam, that kicked Ross out. It was Buddy who would not permit the discussion of grace, such that at least 1/3 of the leadership left. Perhaps Sam made us feel powerful? Elders that wanted to push people down — either are gone or have no members. Who I see staying in, are either huddled at a few of less sick places — or are hanging on for power’s sake. I still see some wild personal behaviors attempting to advertise one into a position. But I also read memoirs that humble me and encourage my faith.

So many people I loved. So many wonderful things I loved. For now, I hope to continue what relationships I can maintain. And, especially after a vision of model-sized cabin turned to ashes, falling down since only ashes held it together, it is my choice to move forward with what sonship doctrine I can hear and teach. Healthy community would be very welcome.

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Kinds of Prayer, Starting with Petition and Intercession

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So, I did a series on kinds of prayer. I have 8 categories. All the other lists I found were incomplete.

I know I typed this out,but I also know you are not seeing. And right now, neither am I.

Anyway, the first category is petition and intercession (which is petition for someone else).

It is good. You will like it. And people who are old hat with the sonship doctrine I can tell, will find this useful too.

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Greetings to the JPS Family

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Today, mostly just warm greetings and letting you in on more about what is going on with me.

So very good to hear from some of you. Please keep that coming. Let me know who you are, where you are, and what you are up to. Those of us who know sonship doctrine are a rare breed, but we are not alone. And there should be strength in numbers, yes? And we believe in community, in discerning the Body of Christ, right? Even if we are still learning how to flow together. So, let’s communicate.

Also, a little bit about what else I do. Would that I could post this every week. Do you know that I post another podcast every week for more than 15 years? Look it up at www.greatshalom.org. God wants total well-being for all children. That means everyone, of course, but I do focus on encouraging mothers whose children have some sort of learning problem. On that site now I have a one-size fits all protocol. Only thing like it I’ve seen. And cheap cheap cheap compared to doctor help — if that is even helpful. Even if you do need it, the protocol will give you the basics and let you know what to ask about.

Check out my books there, and click through for print on demand. There are some audio albums for download. Both there and on my consulting site: www.orgstrat.net. If you need teachers trained, administrators coached, or want a consultant to help you start a school. If you want a course in how to start a daycare/preschool as a mission, go to www.teachachildchangeanation.org.

The really big news is my new book: Re-founding Education : Jesus’ Teaching Method. We are off track, right? Let’s get back on track. By following the Leader. Explains the history of American education, draws lessons from how Jesus taught, and gives some suggestions about how to move forward from here, so our children have a more ideal education.

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Ever Want to Pray with More Authority?

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Today, I cover several scriptures that show our authority IN Christ.  We started out, as humans, given dominion. Then, as disciples of Jesus, we were given authority as we follow Jesus and do His assignment. Then, we see David and Isaiah’s words on our authority. Amazing! Give a listen.

Then memorize the Scripture by meditating.

Then, you will have some real “amunition” in prayer.

Next week: different kinds of prayer…. and what about that “decreeing and declaring”?

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This Christmas, We Consider The Importance of Children

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John 3 : Trust the Son, Receive the Gifts, Lead

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A second attempt at unpacking the John 3 passage that meant so much to me. Previous track spoke to Move-informed people. This addresses a wider audience. the whole church.

Again, we see that God loves us, gives us Holy Spirit without limit and all things.

Yet, Christians tend not to receive. Jesus expresses regret about this. He also speaks of coming judgement. Yeah, you are not going to hear this elsewhere.

Please connect! Looking for your encouragement and support.

We could have a sonship community here in Austin, too.  Could support each member’s vocation, as well as just be personal friends, and siblings in Christ.

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God Loves You, Gives You…. ALL THINGS…. WHAT??? No, that is not what we were told.

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God Loves Us!

Wow! Huge revelation to me! Right there in John 3! A doctrine that I wondered about for a long long time. A shaft of light that set me free from the worst of the Move. Here it is, aimed at my Move-informed friends.

Posperity Gospel

God Loves You, Gives You…. ALL THINGS…. WHAT??? No, that is not what we were told.We were told that we were called to a life of death, of laying down the Christ life, of poverty, and no enjoyment. We were led to believe anyone who preached like this must be heart hardened and materialistic.

Quite aside from the possibility that some who preach prosperity are materialistic, what does the Bible really say? I unpack the Scripture today, from face value and what Holy Spirit illumined to me. I get personal, in hopes that it will help other Move and ex-Move friends.

Please let me Hear From You — Accepting Preaching Engagements

Please let me hear from you. I have pretty much fulfilled my God-given assignment of re-preaching the sonship message. I expected to get a lot more response. Actually, I expected to get lots of hate from those whose income, even if paltry, comes from the power they get in the Move. Maybe I have avoided that? Maybe not quite? Or maybe I have avoided any notice at all. LOL.  Well, please tell me if I am helping you.

Please reach out for preaching engagements, as well.  Limited time budget, as I am asked to speak and consult elsewhere, so please invite me quickly.

I have other projects and may move on if I don’t hear from you.  The ox shouldn’t be starved. And the worker should not all her life do more than 2 people could do! LOL  We are meant to share.

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You Can Ask… the Lord… And Get an Answer

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You CAN ask.. the Lord… and get an answer. Now that is really good news. Unlike the “you can ask” I got from some woman, when it was evident both that I knew and that I could NOT ask the authorities…. who didn’t know, showed that… and thus would have been highly insecure and offended and dangerous for being “asked’!  But this, no, this is a revelation. I got it from some guy teaching Sunday school. He asked God about his walk with the Lord! How wonderful!

In so many situations, we need direction. And who can give it to us? The Lord God is the one who knows. The Lord God Holy Spirit is the one sent to teach us. Let’s ask!

HalleluJah!